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Tuesday, December 25, 2007

Who is Jesus?

The article that I am posting is not from my own thoughts. By all means, I should not be condemned of what it is trying to imply. I feel it to be an interesting school of thought that should be revisited on this time of the year. I barely remember the event on why I got this article, however, I admit to get this in either a person who was randomly messaging me or a group that was established in I deem it to be very intriguing, thus, I recommend that you read the entire article before arriving at any (malicious) conclusions. Please read carefully.

Who is Jesus?

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God,
the second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible
which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis
for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge
you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following
conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing..... but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of
a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and
hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither
the son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows
all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his
own admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is
clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is
therefore not God.

2. God is All Powerful.... .but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he
said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of
himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he
said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of
the Father which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only
all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That
Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is
not God.

3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was
one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend
unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St.
John 20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the
cross, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If
Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast
thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus
prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself?
When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be
possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but
as thou wilt." Matt 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That
Jesus, of his own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged,
worshipped, and prayed to another being as God is clear proof that
Jesus himself is not God.

4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said
that this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen
God at any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice
at any time nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St.
John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had
seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and
heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct
from his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came
from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42.
Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than
his equality with God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but
thine be done" and in St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but
the will of the Father which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit
that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was
directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as
greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in
deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that
Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus
is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon
what basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect

What is the word of God about Jesus:

A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).

And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh
rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh
fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful
a son; and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is
there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a
servant (Qur'an 19:88-93).

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness;
He created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was.
(Qur'an 3:59).

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,
was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to
Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers.
and say not, 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One
God. Glory be on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs
that which is in the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a
guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)

C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him,
they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and
they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up
to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of
the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on
the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an

JESUS in the QURAN ..

The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews , who
rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The
Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God
and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the
great prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham),
Moses, and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with
the Islamic view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine
guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of
God's messengers.

The essence of Islam - willing submission to the will of God - was
revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All
following revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally
Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message,
with some elaboration to define the revelation between man and God,
man and man, man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among
revealed religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element
introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three
major religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - should not be
an exception.

Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus,
it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his
ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs
concerning him. The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the
conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran,
vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple.
When Mary became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel)
appeared to her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the
following dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:

"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word
from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured
shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He
shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall
be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has
touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".

When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran

In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us
how Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when
she brought the child home:

"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they
said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of
Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman
unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we
speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he
said, 'Lo, I am God's servant, God has given me the Book and made me
a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has
enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms so long as I live, and
likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant and
wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and
the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam 19:29-33)

in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures
Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told
above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not
accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the
son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in
word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God
to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, 'Be, and
it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)

After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed
Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one
God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This
is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)

TAfter this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed
Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one
God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This
is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)

The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but
this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this
criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be
the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the
Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the
following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is
as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon
him, 'Be' and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)

The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the
son, God the Holy Spirit - as strongly as it rejects the concept of
Jesus as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be
one. The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the
Surrah entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)

People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion,
and say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of
Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his
word (Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the
creation of Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit
originating from Him (was given life by God). So believe in God and
His Messengers, and say not 'Three'. Refrain, better is for you. God
is only one God. Glory be to him-that He should have a son! To Him
belongs all that is in the Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices
for a guardian.

The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the
Angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and
walks proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.

As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, we will pay
them their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His
bounty; as for them who disdain and walks proud, then He will punish
with a severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart
from God, a friend or helper." (An-Nissa 4:171-173)

The denial of Jesus's divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary's
divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at
the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers
and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the
Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said
to them. Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:

"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto
men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To
you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I
indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my
heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things
unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my
God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)

Given that the Quran denies the Trinity and the son ship of Jesus,
what, according to the Quran, was the real mission of Jesus? The
answer is that Jesus was a link in a long chain of Prophets and
Messengers sent by God to various nations and societies whenever
they needed guidance or deviated from his teachings of Moses and
other Messengers. As he was miraculously supported by numerous
miracles to prove that he was a Messengers from God. However, the
majority of the Jews rejected his ministry.

In another verse of the Quran, Jesus confirmed the validity of the
Torah which was revealed to Moses, and also conveyed he glad tidings
of a final Messenger who follow him: "And when Jesus son of Mary
said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger to you,
confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tiding of a
Messenger who shall be the praised one."(As-Saff 61:6)

Note that "praised one" is a translation of "Ahmad" - The Prophet
Mohammed's name. Careful study of the New Testament shows that Jesus
refers to the same Prophet in John 14:16-17: "And I will give you
another Counsellor (ThProphet Mohammed). To be with you for ever,
even the Spirit of Truth."

The usual explanation of this Prophecy is that the counsellor
referred to is the Holy Spirit, but this explanation is excluded by
a previous verse in John: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is
to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the
Counsellor will not come to you."

The characteristics of this counsellor, as can be derived from the
prophecy, are that he will stay forever with the believers, he will
glorify Jesus; and he will speak that he hears form God. All four
characteristics apply to the Prophet Mohammed. He came six centuries
after Jesus. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came with a
universal and everlasting message, fulfilling the prophecy that the
counsellor will stay forever with the faithful. He glorified Jesus
as a great Prophet. The Quran attributes to Jesus miracles not
mentioned in the Bible's Old and New Testaments, as well as specific
verses in the Quran show how the Prophet Mohammad is rejected by
Jews and Christians out of prejudice and misunderstanding, rather
that carefully study the Bible.

It is a sad fact of history that not many are following
the "straight path" to which people were called by Jesus. He was
only followed by a few disciples inspired by God to support him. The
non-believers plotted - as they would against Mohammed, six
centuries later - to kill Jesus. But God had better plan for him and
his followers, as the Quran tells us:

"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said 'Who will be my
helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, 'we are Gods
helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God,
we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger.
Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. 'And they
devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of
divisors. When God said, 'Jesus, I will take you to Me and will
raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those
who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers
till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)

As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven.
He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of
Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and
someone else was crucified:

"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave
false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus
son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of
conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God
raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of
the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his
death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against
them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)

The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of
Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However,
explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of
the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he
dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith)
of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and
upon all His Messengers.


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Can u debate: Is Jesus god? Is the bible the word of God? Is
crucifixion fact or fiction? Do you know the true Paul? What did the
Old Testament say about Jesus? Is Jesus the fake messiah?

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Where in the bible did Jesus claim divinity? Where in the bible did
Jesus ask to be worshipped? Where did Jesus say I am God Manifested
in flesh? Where did Jesus mention the original sin? Where did Jesus
say I am the Son God? Where did Jesus say that I am the Word God?

Jesus say I am the Second Icon God?

(John 18:20)

20"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always
taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come
together. I said nothing in secret.

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1 comment:

Shanny Stewart said...

Respect your views about God..I admired your opinions. Thanks for sharing :)

- Shan@Insonorisations M.G.

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